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On a regular basis Warrior Podcast Episode 17: Actor Nikolaj Coster-Waldau


Males’s Journal’s On a regular basis Warrior With Mike Sarraille is a brand new podcast that evokes people to stay extra fulfilling lives by having conversations with disrupters and excessive performers in all walks of life. In our seventeenth episode, we spoke to Sport of Thrones star Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.

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Mike Sarraille:
Welcome to the Males’s Journal On a regular basis Warrior podcast. I’m excited for this one. We’ve received Nikolaj Coster-Waldau. Um, sadly, you already know, to stereotype you, everybody is aware of you as Jamie Lannister. Besides I gotta inform you this story. So my spouse might be considered one of 100 folks in the USA that didn’t watch Sport of Thrones.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Nicely, then you’ll be able to add my spouse to it. So there’s two of them <chortle>

Mike Sarraille:
However she did know you, uh, and you already know, I stated the identify she’s like, the identify is so acquainted. So I pulled up the opposite lady and she or he, she form of had this frown. She’s like, oh, that man, cuz you performed it so nicely, uh, she’s like males. So, um, joke, however uh Nielly thanks for becoming a member of us. Um, need to get into your background cuz folks not often, not often perceive the environments within the again tales that form the folks we watch on TV or, or sports activities or, or important enterprise leaders, politicians, um, let’s dive into, into your life. I imply, uh, I learn that you simply had been born right into a village of 40 folks

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Yeah. In a, in a very good yr. Yeah. It was form of, there was a<chortle> it was tiny. It was uh it’s in Denmark, a tiny farming neighborhood. Uh, a type of villages that’s form of constructed round a giant farm. So the homes that had been there have been form of for the farm staff. Um, and um, we moved there once I was 5, my dad and mom divorced. So I used to be there with my mother, my two older sisters. Um, so yeah, we grew up there. Um, I, yeah, I all the time consider my childhood as, pretty much as good. I used to be, you already know, had nice mates, however, however it was, uh, it was, you already know, it’s, it’s humorous that factor you I’m positive you’ll be able to relate to that. You become older, you all the time assume that, nicely, my childhood was simply my childhood, however then in comparison with, to others, you understand it was, it was, um, as all the time, it it’s distinctive and particular, however, however I, you already know, I had numerous time alone.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Um, there was no supervision, there was no, um, um, there have been no adults interfering if, if you’ll. Um, my mother needed to belief, had belief in, in, in, in us as children, she needed to, she needed to go to work. Um, um, and um, and my dad was, um, as I stated, they divorced after which later they remarried, which was, uh, I not a essentially, <chortle> a sensible alternative. My dad labored in, in, in Greenland at the moment. There’s an, an American air power base on the very high of Greenland software. And he labored there and he would come again each three months for a month after which, you already know, it could be, the primary week could be nice. He would nonetheless have cash in his pocket after which the following few weeks could be much less nice after which he would take off. So it was form of, uh, that was the routine. Um, after which they remarried after which the divorced once more, as a result of clearly there was a cause they divorced the primary time.

Mike Sarraille:
It, it appears from doing the analysis you’ve, uh, been surrounded by girls all of your life. Uh, you’ve received two sisters. Uh, you now you’ve your spouse, two daughters. How’s how’s that impacted you?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Nicely, I imply, I, I feel I’ve been very fortunate. I imply, I it’s, it’s a, it’s a, yeah, I suppose I, at one level once I was youthful, there was a positively a seek for father determine that I used to be, you already know, clearly wished to get from my dad. I didn’t get that. So I received that from numerous coaches, you already know, you already know, on the lookout for somebody academics, however I feel it’s, you already know, I, I, it’s a very good factor to have numerous, um, you already know, the feminine perspective, um, in your life. Uh, and it additionally, I suppose for lots of men, once you develop up, should you don’t have that, it might form of be, girls are very intimidating should you, should you’re not used to it, are you aware what I imply? Like that, that, that I by no means had that form of worry of, of girls as a result of they’re totally different, you already know, they’re, you already know, they, it’s, it’s a complete totally different factor.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
And I, I form of, I used to be uncovered to all that, um, early on, in a giant method. So, so, um, I attempted to consider it as a, as a optimistic. Um, however, uh, <chortle>, I dunno, perhaps you need to ask my spouse about that. She’s most likely gonna say, what are you speaking about? You don’t perceive. She’s like what? Yeah, however I’ve all the time had very robust good friend male friendships. And, uh, and I feel that, um, I, I clearly have feminine mates as nicely, however my male friendships are actually the one, those which might be the deepest. And I feel perhaps there’s a cause for that, that I, I wanted that,

Mike Sarraille:
You understand, you’ve talked and, and, and I all the time hate to, to, to dive into robust points, however, you already know, publicly you’ve talked about your father and his alcoholism. And once I consider cuz we’re all formed by our environments, I, I don’t assume something, anybody will, will, will doubt that, uh, nature versus nurture, uh, nurture has positively one thing to, to do with our, our, our elevating in, in how we develop into. However shot collar is an ideal instance of this. You had been, uh, a, a standard household man thrust into an surroundings. And in an effort to, to outlive that, that surroundings, uh, you needed to adapt to that surroundings. Um, what did you study out of your father’s alcoholism? I imply, one, once you had been a baby, I imply, that, that needed to be a special perspective and the way’s that formed you as a person?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
My dad was like, alcoholism is simply, it’s a, it’s a horrible factor. Trigger it’s like a illness and it simply infects the whole lot. And it, it has penalties, not only for your self, but additionally after all, for your loved ones and, and your environment. He, so I, I suppose I, the, the very primary reply is like, I all the time, for me, once I hear that, that, uh, this man grew to become, I imply, I suppose there are two methods you’ll be able to have a look at it, you’ll be able to, you’ll be able to go, nicely, it runs within the household. So the traditional is, nicely, his dad was an alcoholic, so he grew to become an alcoholic. So his children are gonna be alcoholic. And I used to be form of the other. I used to be like, nicely, I’m by no means gonna, I’m by no means gonna be like that, that I don’t need. Um, as a result of it was, it was so, you already know, it was one thing that was controlling him in a, such a damaging method.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
And, um, it ruined his life. I imply, he had, you already know, that was all the time one thing that I by no means understood that, um, I can perceive it like intellectually, I can have a look at it, however, however emotionally I by no means understood. How are you going to have, like, you’ve three children and also you simply, you simply, that is, it’s extra necessary so that you can have a drink. Like, that’s that I simply couldn’t, you already know, emotionally perceive that. After which after all I can, I can perceive intellectually as a grown, I sufficient’s a, its it’s dependancy. It’s, it’s greater than you. Sadly, I suppose in some methods it formed me in, in, in, in, you already know, not wanting to try this. Um, and it’s additionally typically I suppose that’s in a, in a optimistic method. Detrimental can be that I’ve, I’ve, you already know, typically been afraid of shedding management if you’ll.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
So the whole lot has been very targeted, all the time, uh, and there’s a power and, and, and a optimistic in that, however it can be damaging cuz typically it’s necessary to have the ability to simply, you already know, to be within the second and, and allow you to know, not all the time need to know what’s what occurs across the subsequent nook, however enable it to occur. So I’ve labored with that, however no, however, after which the humorous factor and the factor about, and that that’s one thing I considered as a grown up is that children, you’re keen on your dad and mom. It’s nearly unconditional. I imply, they, they’ve, I imply, even once they actually mess up there’s nonetheless love there. And um, and that’s, I simply, I keep in mind when my, my father handed it greater than 20 years in the past, he was, he was 58 and, uh, it was simply, it was such, it was so painful as a result of I by no means received to know the man.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
And that was what you all the time need. Like in a method as a child, you all the time, that’s what you’re wanting. That’s what, what you form of, your complete childhood is, goes, main you in direction of the factors the place you’ll be able to lastly go, all proper. I’m a person now let’s hi there? Who’re you? Like, you already know, you already know, the place you get to know your dad and mom as, as a grown up and uh, and that’s, uh, yeah, they shouldn’t have remarried. It was, uh, it was form of a out of necessity. I feel my, my mother was alone with, with three children and, and he was away on a regular basis. So anyway, however yeah, I feel that typically it’s, um, um, you already know, I do consider like I’m, I’ve been married for twenty-four years and I’m very proud of my spouse. And naturally, I don’t know should you’ve been married, however like, prefer it, you already know, any relationship has its ups and downs and, and I do really feel for us, you already know, it’s uh, no, however I do really feel like as soon as we’ve gone via these robust patches, we form of come out the opposite facet stronger. That doesn’t all the time, that isn’t essentially the case for everybody. And I do know for my dad and mom, it was positively not the case. After which once they lastly tore off the bandaid, it was, it was for the most effective,

Mike Sarraille:
I I’ve gotta assume sport of Thrones took you away from your loved ones for, for a very long time. Uh, how, how did you cope with that with the household? I imply, what, what did you clarify to the women once you had been gonna be gone for what I’m assuming month, month?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Nicely, really it wasn’t the sport of throne wasn’t was not unhealthy. A variety of the opposite reveals I’ve executed in films are a lot worse. I imply, sport of Thrones till the final two seasons, probably the most I labored a season could be 25 days, 30 days. So this was like the proper job when it comes to, uh, household. And it was capturing in Europe so I might fly. It was a few hour flight. It was, it was simple. It was nothing there. And so they, and so they additionally would, would be part of me typically. In order that was, that was a simple one. It, I feel the, the toughest in my complete profession has been the previous few years with COVID as a result of once I’ve been working, I used to be in Mexico final yr, earlier than that was in Iceland. And that’ out of the blue, it turns into 5, six months away as a result of you’ll be able to break COVID protocol. That’s been robust. Proper. However what about you? I imply, are you married?

Mike Sarraille:
So, uh, sadly, and you already know, this neighborhood that I come from, nicely, there was a excessive divorce fee. Uh, we had like a 95% divorce fee, uh, cuz we had been gone so usually and we’re not that’s I, I don’t say that with any satisfaction in any way. That may be a horrible factor. And households had been, I don’t wanna say households had been destroyed, however households had been damaged, uh, due to it. I imply that was simply the, the pace of battle for 20 years.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
What was the longest? What’s the longest? You’ve been away

Mike Sarraille:
Eight months

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
At a time, eight

Mike Sarraille:
Months.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Oh wow.

Mike Sarraille:
I, I I’ll inform you this. I, my son was born in 2008, one month later, I needed to, uh, deploy to, uh, Iraq for a seven month deployment. And once I received house, I attempted to shock the household. So I got here round to the again sliding door and my daughter was, uh, she was 4 by this level. Uh, however then this younger toddler begins crawling across the, uh, the facet of the sofa band. I broke out in tears. Um, it was after all realization that like, I don’t wanna say I used to be failing as a father, however it was a realization that I’m not fulfilling the normal fatherly roles if I’m gone that, that lengthy. So it was, it was a steadiness for us, man.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Yeah. And, and are you you continue to collectively or did you then, did it break up on the

Mike Sarraille:
No. Um, who’s, who’s interviewing who right here? Uh, no, I’m ju I’m kidding with you.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Nicely, it’s a, it’s a dialog.

Mike Sarraille:
I, um, no, uh, two, two wonderful children, uh, out of that marriage, um, who I’m, I’m extraordinarily happy with. Uh, I, I’m remarried and, and I’ll inform you that, uh, very strong-willed lady, uh, I’ll, I’ll inform you, no matter my background, she, she runs at house and it’s a partnership, however, um, I, I’ve discovered rather a lot. I’ve taken a while to mirror on my first marriage, uh, to be sure that, um, once I, I knew I used to be positive once I married her, however, uh, we are going to finally most likely have children. Certain. However ensuring that, uh,

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
How did, how did, so one factor I all the time surprise once I, due to, you already know, once I’ve spoken to, to, um, um, troopers and individuals who’ve deployed such as you, and once you, once you do what you probably did, um, once you had been lively, the truth that it’s very troublesome to cuz once I, once I go away, if I need to speak about with my spouse about no matter occurred at work, I’ll, I’ll discuss to her about it and it’s simple to share and you already know, that’s, you couldn’t try this otherwise you that’s a special form of factor. And the way do you cope with that? As a result of clearly that immediately that may be a, that have to be, I simply all the time discovered that that have to be the one factor that’s difficult in a, in a relationship the place you need to be as shut as you presumably can emotionally. However on the similar time, there’s one thing that’s simply very, very troublesome

Mike Sarraille:
To share. I did need to expose them to that. Um, we I’ve all the time informed my children, you already know, they’d, uh, some form of thought of what I did, however I’d all the time say that, like I used to be a provide officer that I received the assets for the blokes that go outdoors the, uh, the wire, though that wasn’t true. However, uh, there was a excessive diploma of com compartmentalization, um, that, that my, my drawback to cope with the horrors, we noticed the blokes we left behind the issues we needed to do as a result of you already know, and once more, nickel, I, you, you noticed this, uh, stuttering finding out for the function to play Gary Gordon. However, um, in an effort to ship folks, evil folks away, typically you need to go to hell, hell, hell your self. It’s there. There’s nothing stunning about battle in any way. And I, you already know, we comply with the

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Guidelines. No, it’s humorous. It’s an fascinating factor. Trigger I keep in mind, um, I used to be speaking to a different of your colleagues after which he was simply saying, God, you already know, I want extra politicians had, had, had seen what we’ve seen, cuz then they might work a lot tougher to keep away from battle trigger that it ought to all the time be the final resort that ought to all the time, no person needs that.

Mike Sarraille:
When, when diplomacy fails, it’s a failure, uh, of humanity. I’ll put it to you that method. I’ll, I’ll say this, my father served within the military. He didn’t go to Vietnam, however it was through the Vietnam period and it destroyed him as a result of I got here house wounded on my second deployment fairly badly. And I’d misplaced, uh, an excellent good friend, actually on her grenade, three toes from me. He, he was Oly awarded the, uh, the medal of honor, however he saved my life and it destroyed him as a result of that was my second deployment. I went on 9 extra deployments after that and it destroyed him. I shall be eternally grateful if my son chooses a special path and by no means goes into the navy, I’ll be inwardly happy with them, however I don’t need to really feel what a father and a mom felt, uh, for seven months whereas they’re little one. Uh, whether or not that little one’s 23 yr previous, 23, 23 yr previous or, or 30 yr previous. Um, I don’t, I don’t need to ever really feel that. Um, yeah, it’s, it’s fascinating, man. However so, I imply your first main function within the us was Blackhawk now.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Sure, no, it was an incredible expertise additionally. Trigger I, I discovered a lot. I keep in mind we, we, I, I, I, you already know, I, I simply did a, you already know, I did a tape at house with a buddy after which we ship it off and Ridley Scott preferred it. After which out of the blue I get this name that I’m on my method to Fort Bragg and um, and, and, and bootcamp, and was probably the most enjoyable. It was so cool was simply the three of us. There was me, Eric Bann and William Fickner. Um, after which they had been 12 instructors and so they, the primary day they had been like, okay, we mentioned what to do with you, Hollywood guys. Um, and we felt my, you already know, we had been both gonna simply, you already know, beat you up for every week, uh, or we had been gonna have enjoyable. So we determined to have enjoyable and we had a lot enjoyable.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
And what was fascinating was that we each, each these two teams, there was these three actors and these, this group of, of, of, of structured troopers from, from the particular forces, they, all of us had these preconceived opinions in regards to the others. They had been like, oh, we’re gonna have these gentle, you already know, you already know, you already know, you already know, actors from Hollywood and so they, they don’t know something about actual life. And, and we had been like, oh, we’re gonna have learn these, this bunch of Rambos that each one, you already know, all these preconceived opinions. And naturally what we discovered was that it was the other. Um, to begin with, that you simply don’t get to be work for the particular forces, uh, with out having you being actually sensible and actually considerate and, and, you already know, you’re there for the proper causes and also you, and, and also you’ve labored actually, actually arduous and also you’re very proficient.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
After which, you already know, it, and there’s no room for somebody who’s like a, like if now once I say ramble, you already know what I imply? Like that form of, uh, you already know, that form of mentality, there’s simply, no, you, you’ve to have the ability to, to, uh, you need to be sensible. Um, and, and, and, and so they noticed us as, as simply linked. It was actually, actually, was it simply, it simply taught me one thing about, um, and, and, and it retains, I feel in my life, I all the time, I’m always reminded of that additionally once I’ve been touring and at any time when I am going anyplace don’t ever leap to conclusions and, and don’t ever, you already know, assume, you already know, folks or any, no matter it’s like on the, on the core, I’d say 99.9% of, of individuals I meet are actually first rate, good folks. And all the time fascinating, you already know, you already know what I imply? There are all the time gonna be somebody the place you go, oh, what a Dick, however that doesn’t, it’s actually the outliers. Um, and naturally in any, in any job operate the place you meet somebody who’s on the high of their sport, normally they’re actually fascinating cuz they’ve, they’ve, uh, they’ve needed to, there’s a cause they, they’re the place they’re,

Mike Sarraille:
Dude. You’ve simply stated so many issues that I need to dissect. Uh, you already know, I stated it earlier, uh, Hollywood is the best recruiting software for any navy. I imply, it’s all the time been the propaganda machine and, and I’m not saying that in a nasty method, what units you guys aside? Why I beloved black Hawk down particularly, the characters you guys performed Delta power. I imply, in, within the film, the Rangers, you already know, had that youthful, uh, ignorance within the Rangers are like that the seventy fifth ranger regiment is superior, however you guys nailed this function so nicely when, once more, whereas Hollywood could also be an amazing recruiting software, it doesn’t all the time solid, uh, our career in an amazing gentle. Once more, the Rambos once I talked about probably the most deadly warriors, I knew at seal crew six in Delta is that they had been a few of the kindest, most respectful, empathetic human beings that will by no means inform you what number of kills they received, what number of metals they’ve, or what number of deployments they’d. And also you guys actually portrayed these mature nicely, let’s, let’s name it operators, um, that anybody could be like, yeah, we’re proud that they symbolize any nation that, that they symbolize. However, um, what I imply, did you get to speak to anybody that knew,

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
However it was simply, yeah, no, no. We had, we, once we had been at Fort Bryan, we additionally had OB, clearly we had Lee and our sale who was like, you already know, he was our most important teacher. He was additionally the, the Colonel. He was at, you already know, he was there on the time he was main them. Um, however we additionally met, uh, we had espresso and, and dinner with a few of the guys who, um, who had been not will with Delta, however we had been nonetheless dwelling round Fort brag. And we simply, it was simply the nicest guys. And, after which they might by no means, as you say, they might by no means say something, however then considered one of them had, you already know, he was form of the man who Eric Van’s character was form of modeled on. And, uh, and he was like, simply stated, what he did that, you already know, these 18 hours was simply so heroic and so insane.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Like he simply saved so many individuals. And he stated one thing which I assumed was fascinating. He stated, nicely, the one factor I keep in mind was that I didn’t hear a sound like he was within the craziest gun battle. And it was like full SI. There was simply one thing about the way in which he described it, as a result of his focus was so intense that he was not, he wasn’t that complete factor, that skill to not let, let the whole lot the insanity have an effect on you, however nonetheless keep targeted. I simply, I assumed, I imply, the way in which he described it was simply actually fascinating. And once more, as you stated, the nicest man, I’d by no means, and that was the one guys I met. I’d by no means, if I didn’t know, had picked them out as, as, as a few of the, you already know, as you stated, probably the most deadly troopers on the earth or probably the most achieved, I’d by no means in one million years, as a result of that’s not, as you stated, that’s not normally how Hollywood portrays, uh, these guys normally they’re like, like who come on, kill. Yeah. Go all that stuff. It’s humorous. You stated that factor about recruitment software. I, I used to be simply studying about, like, it was simply that the brand new high gun that got here out again within the day when the primary high gun got here out, air power had the most important, you already know, spike ever. And I wager you it’s occurring proper now.

Mike Sarraille:
Yeah, yeah.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Once more,

Mike Sarraille:
Anyway, aviation neighborhood is, is unquestionably, uh, gonna, sure. Uh, let me ask this man. Have been they shocked once they discovered you had been Danish?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Uh, yeah. I, I imply, I didn’t inform anybody. I imply, I, um, I didn’t, uh, I don’t, until they requested, I didn’t, I didn’t point out it, uh, cuz I assumed why, why, why, why smash the uh, <chortle> why smash the phantasm? I had one, uh, kinda fascinating, you already know, in, at Fort Bragg, there’s the particular forces museum. And I went there with, uh, I went there alone and um, and there’s a wall, uh, of yellow stars on the finish of the museum once you come via the entire thing. And at the moment, the final two, uh, golden stars had been, uh, Randy shoe and Gary Gordon. After which this man got here as much as me and he was like, then subsequent to me, he was like, oh, so that you, you received them Hollywood guys. And I stated, yeah, yeah, I’m I’m an actor. Huh? Who you play?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
I say it, nicely, I I’m I’m I’m on, I’m gonna I’m portraying Gary Gordon. You don’t appear to be Gary. No, I, no, I don’t. I do know, I do know. I, I don’t. That was a giant sneakers to fill. Yeah. Nicely sir, I, I’ll, I’ll do my best. I’ll, you already know, and was, it was clearly somebody who knew him and, and, however he, it was simply, it was very shifting to me as a result of out of the blue it simply, it simply hit house. You understand, that factor the place this I, that is like earlier than we, we went out to Morocco the place we shot, however up till then it had been a lot, I had had a lot enjoyable coaching for this and it was one other half. And I used to be like, there was one thing about it, which, you already know, I used to be so excited, you already know, Ridley Scott and all this stuff.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Um, however once I spoke to this man, I used to be, it was out of the blue simply, it, it was standing in entrance of that wall. It grew to become so, um, it was only a very, uh, sobering second the place I went like, okay, I, I’ve to, I’ve to get, do my, I’ve to do my best. And in addition once we got here out and I, I, I spoke to Ridley and I, I, I, uh, I informed him the identical factor. I stated, hear, I imply, I do know there are 4, there’s so many tales on this. That is actually a narrative about this battle battle greater than it’s in regards to the characters. However I stated, if there’s something, you already know, we will do, I need to, you already know, present our respect to those, these males who, uh, who gave their lives. And he, then should you keep in mind, the final shot within the film is that this stunning shot of the, you already know, the cargo airplane and also you see the caskets and then you definately hear, uh, it’s really Gary’s phrases, the letter that was, that was in his, uh, um, that, that left past that, that you simply guys, I suppose you all have to write down a letter in case one thing unhealthy occurs.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Um, in order that I used to be very, I used to be, I used to be, it meant rather a lot to me and I used to be very proud that they, that he, that he put that in there as a result of yeah, you already know, it’s a film, it’s leisure, however this particular film was additionally, it was an actual occasion and, and other people misplaced their lives. And,

Mike Sarraille:
Uh, Niel, I let me put it to you this manner, man, from all of us within the us navy, thanks for what you guys did, cuz you memorialized these males and also you stored their legacies alive and their legacies will stay on due to that film. I’ve, you already know, I simply went with a buddy, uh, to Iceland the place we skydived in, uh, into a number of places making an attempt to, uh,

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Oh, wow.

Mike Sarraille:
To, to uphold the legacy, it’s known as legacy expeditions to maintain the legacy of our fallen alive. Uh, and it’s, it’s harder than you assume. And, and you bought to see firsthand the kind of males yeah. That these, these folks had been women and men, each women and men. Let me say that within the navy, that, that yeah. Are so selfless for one thing they consider in. So that you guys, you guys completely crushed it. And, and that film for will ceaselessly be all the time a, uh, a go to for lots of navy, uh, members, however naturally, you already know, everybody hear, listening to this needs to go to, uh, to sport of Thrones. Dude, stroll me, uh, stroll me into how that even got here to, to fruition. I imply, had been you approached, did you hear they had been producing one thing? How, how did that, how did you land that function first

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Off? No, I used to be, uh, it was, uh, <chortle>. I used to be in, in Los Angeles. I used to be testing for this film that I used to be actually enthusiastic about known as John Carter or Morris, um, that, you already know, I, I assumed, you already know, I assumed I used to be gonna get, I used to be gonna nail this factor and I used to be gonna get it. And it was gonna be the most important film of all time. That’s what I assumed. I didn’t get the half, however on the identical journey I met with my agent stated, there’s this HBO pilot, which pilot is the primary episode of a present, a take a look at. They do a take a look at earlier than they determine whether or not they need to finance it. So, um, and I stated, okay, however my focus was all about this factor, however it was HBO. So I assumed what’s it about? And he stated one thing about it’s primarily based on this collection of books known as the track of, of ice and hearth.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
It’s like a fantasy. And I used to be like, I’m unsure. I imply, fantasies that basically, however I met the, I met with, with the blokes and I used to be like, they had been actually cool. Like I, you already know, that factor once you meet somebody the place you go, oh, I wanna, I wanna play with these guys. Like then, then sensible David Benoff was simply sensible and enjoyable. And, and I, you already know, I used to be like, wow, that is in. Then I learn the, and I learn the, and I assumed, okay, this character is fascinating. He’s this starting of a, of a narrative arc is so fascinating cuz it’s so darkish and he’s, doesn’t worse that he’s, you already know, sleeping along with his sister. He’s making an attempt to kill his, this child. And you already know, that is, that is bizarre. After which I, they informed me what was gonna occur for the primary three season.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
After which, um, yeah. Then, then, then I used to be provided the half and, and, and uh, and we shot the pilot and, and I feel once we shot it, all of us thought this was gonna be, this was, was simply gonna be a pilot as a result of they had been so bizarre and so many tales, so sophisticated to comply with. Um, so the whole lot about sport of throne was form of an, uh, you already know, what, nobody noticed it coming. That was gonna be such a, an enormous factor. And, and, and I wasn’t actively on the lookout for it. It simply form of out of the blue appeared. You understand, I, I, I, I’ve to, I do know I’ve to, to and make my solutions shorter. I generally tend. You,

Mike Sarraille:
You one, I, I do know one you had been up for, you already know, the Emmy ward nomination for excellent supporting actor, however, uh, sure, uh, movie, uh, I don’t know, critics stated you performed among the finest anti heroes in movie historical past. And in numerous methods, Jamie Leister grew to become the principle character that individuals adopted. I, I imply, he was so advanced. Um, what did you study from that function? Trigger I, I, I do know the, the amputation of his hand form of reworked that character as nicely. How, how did you deal?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Yeah, yeah, completely. No, I simply thought I, you, you already know, it’s humorous, it goes again to, you tried to grasp the place does this man come from? And, and, and, and also you speak about sophisticated relationship along with his dad. You didn’t have a mom and all of it started there. After all, then the sister relation that complete household relationship, how tousled that was. After which, uh, on the core, he’s a, the way in which I see him, uh, a really, uh, he, he’s a soldier and he’s a, he’s a, he’s a, he’s, he’s a really honorable, uh, uh, the way in which I noticed him and the way in which I, I all the time, you already know, that didn’t wave, I didn’t change over the course of the story. I do know he had a giant arc when it comes to, of, of the circumstances of his life modified, however the very core of him was all the time, um, I’ll do something to guard the folks I really like and what I consider in. And he did that and, and that made me, and that meant, uh, you already know, uh, even doing horrible issues like, you already know, who wished you, how are you going to, you can’t, and I don’t assume he would ever, um, speak about him as if he’s an actual individual. After all he’s not, however I don’t assume Jamie land would ever attempt to excuse, uh, pushing a child out the window, however he would additionally, he would most likely do it once more if he needed to. And, and I might, I might perceive. And I feel that, that was fascinating.

Mike Sarraille:
That brings up a very good query as a father, man, would you, and I do know my reply, man. I’m not making an attempt to stroll you

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
No, let,

Mike Sarraille:
There are issues I’d do to

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
No, no, no. However the checklist on the finish of the day, I determine, as you say, after getting children, you’ll do something. I imply, prefer it it’s, should you had to decide on between saving your children or somebody that you simply’ve by no means met earlier than, it, you already know, you’re gonna choose your individual children, you may need to kill your self should you couldn’t stay with what you probably did. Yeah. However, however you’d nonetheless choose your children. That that’s simply, I imply, the way in which I see it, I, I don’t see how that may very well be every other

Mike Sarraille:
Alternative. You understand, you, you already know, we, you, we’ve talked about earlier, you hate when folks make, uh, you already know, assumptions primarily based off of, uh, uh, you already know, gossip and, and, and different issues, however

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Certain.

Mike Sarraille:
Let me body it this manner. You’ve gotta be wildly happy with taking part in Jamie Lancaster on one of many biggest collection in movie historical past, however does it get to a degree the place you need to redefine your self? I imply, has, has a stereotype been positioned on you due to that?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
No, I don’t. I, no, I don’t. I imply, hear, it’s all the time gonna be there. Trigger as you say it, it was the, it, it, you already know, it was largest present on the earth in order that, so clearly most individuals will know me from, from that present. Um, however that’s, that’s okay. I imply, the, the humorous factor is the very first thing I ever did as an actor, bang in Denmark was a film that grew to become very, very profitable. So for years I used to be often known as that man. It’s simply the way in which it’s. I imply, there’s, should you begin, you already know, yeah. That, it’s simply the way in which it’s. And the factor is, I, I’m, I’m, you already know, there’s been, that is additionally, um, lots of people have then seen different, seeing different reveals I’ve executed due to sport throne. They, oh, oh, we’re gonna verify that out.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Let’s take a look at shock caller. That’s the man, Jamie Lenox. Let’s simply see what that’s. And I’ve had a lot nice suggestions from that or, or any of the opposite films I’ve executed. So, um, I don’t, you already know, it’s not a, I’m not, you already know, as you, I imply, I haven’t executed 10 different nights cuz I don’t assume I ought to. Yeah. I’m on the lookout for, I’m not on the lookout for that, however uh, no, it’s, uh, it’s a, it’s a, it’s advantageous. You understand, I don’t thoughts that, you already know, sure. Folks will typically go, Hey Jamie LA or Kings participant. That’s, that’s completely advantageous. It’s so long as they don’t throw tomatoes or you already know what, it’s, it’s a very good, it’s

Mike Sarraille:
A great drawback. It’s an amazing drawback to have, I, I gotta inform you this, when, uh, on deployment we seemed ahead to these releases. It was nearly painful that they solely launched one every week when, once they got here on the market <chortle> we, we had been hooked on that, uh, critical, however you introduced up a job, which I I’m gonna say is my private favourite as a result of it’s simply so I, I imply the preliminary a part of the function of shot collar is, is, is perhaps extra just like who you’re as a, as a person, a father, a household man. After which this man transforms in a let’s identical to I’d somewhat return to battle 10 instances than find yourself in a penitentiary.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Oh my God. I, I speak about, you already know, you already know, I discovered, I discovered rather a lot from that film. It was actually, um, trigger I, I, once more, I I’d seen, I’d seen films. I’d heard tales in regards to the, uh, jail system, particularly in, within the, once I did the analysis and discovered and Rick wall who’s, who’s nice director who actually goes deep in his, in his analysis. Um, he took me these journeys and I met these guys and, and it’s, uh, it’s, it’s, it’s scary how the, how actual, the story of sh after all it’s a film and you already know, it, it it’s, it’s, you already know, it get, you already know, it’s, it’s, it’s, you already know, however the whole lot that occurred, I met guys who’d been via that complete journey, uh, and it’s simply, it, it was heartbreaking. And it’s additionally, um, it’s, it’s only a very scary factor as a result of, since you go, how might that presumably occur nowadays?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
How can, you know the way you don’t simply throw younger males into, into the shark tanks, however, however we do. And it’s, uh, uh, it’s humorous I’ve, I’ve met <chortle>, I’ve met lots of people who love, particularly right here, folks come and say, yeah, I’m by no means gonna have a drink once I drive once more. That is like, you already know, it’s, uh, it’s scary factor cuz that’s, that’s what occurred for the man. He, you already know, has a drank too many. He will get behind the wheel of a automotive and a horrible accident occurs and, and he has to go away. After which, and, and the fact of, of, of, of going is, is it’s, it’s not a enjoyable place. It shouldn’t be a enjoyable place, however it, it, um, there are issues within the system that’s so, I imply, I, I didn’t even know. I didn’t know, like all, like all of the gangs, I had no concept that the gang system was created inside and it nonetheless run from the, in inside prisons.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
It simply appears so it’s loopy. However anyway, yeah, it’s it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a really fascinating shoot, um, with an amazing direct by, by the way in which, speak about, um, Rick wall, the director, he did a simply, I dunno should you’ve seen it, he did a documentary about, uh, a veteran, uh, which is totally it’s so good. Um, and uh, I simply wanna discover the identify trigger I need, I need to, if anybody’s, trigger you simply stated you, you probably did work for, to recollect, you already know, veterans and, and, and, and uh, this film is simply one of many Mo most it’s so shifting. Uh, and it’s so highly effective. Um, and I simply wanna, I wanna simply throw it on the market so folks can test it out.

Mike Sarraille:
So for shot caller, you needed to placed on 20 kilos. And I keep in mind there was a males’s journal article about that was, it was fascinating. And, uh, you fed your self to the purpose the place, uh, perhaps you didn’t know if this was all that wholesome or not.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
No, I it’s. I needed to placed on numerous, numerous muscle and, uh, I used to be, I used to be simply understanding like a chunk, however then after all, you already know, you need to eat a lot. Um, and I, yeah. And, uh, yeah, I used to be, uh, <chortle> there was numerous animals killed so I might develop.

Mike Sarraille:
Did, did you, uh, work the load off afterwards?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. I imply that, I imply, I, it’s humorous. I discovered that, uh, clearly once you become older, it takes somewhat longer, uh, I Al I’ve placing on muscle. I imply, I really like the way in which that, you already know, I’m joking with mates that typically should you go and you’re employed out and so they had been like, they don’t need do sure, you already know, they go, no, I don’t wanna get too huge and also you go, hear, you’re not gonna get too huge. It’s gotta, it takes so lengthy so that you can get huge. Um, however, uh, yeah, I might do away with it pretty simple, however, however placing on the muscle is simply, it’s simply, it takes numerous time. Did I lose you once more?

Mike Sarraille:
No, no, no. I’m right here froze.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Um, so,

Mike Sarraille:
You understand, we finish this on, on, uh, form of a notice of vulner of vulnerability. I I’m huge about vulnerability. I feel it’s probably the most masculine human traits you’ll be able to ever have. So we ask a collection of questions, um, and we don’t prefer to play Trump, however take as a lot time as you want. What’s the, uh, most likely the toughest determination you’ve ever needed to make in, in your life?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
It’s an fascinating factor. It’s like the toughest selections are for me, normally simply arduous earlier than you, earlier than you lastly take them once they do them. After which once you, once you’ve executed it, it’s like, oh yeah, nicely, that’s executed now. Um, I feel it’s, it’s, it’s, um, I’ve had very, you already know, I discover it troublesome to, uh, if I’ve to let folks go, um, you already know, and I feel most individuals have that, however when you need to form of transfer on from somebody, uh, and you already know, that it, and I’m not speaking a few romantic relationship, however it may very well be a piece relationship good friend. These moments have been very, very robust, a really arduous, um, um, however, uh, I’ve by no means regretted any of these instances, however, however these are probably the most troublesome

Mike Sarraille:
Ones. What, what are these perhaps two to 3 form of non-negotiables these tenants you, you reside by which have it, most instances led to success for you, you already know, self-discipline, uh, integrity. What, what, what do you preach to your, your daughters?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Nicely, it’s, it’s, it’s the fundamentals, proper? Honesty, uh, states simply be sincere. Uh, uh, um, after which, uh, perseverance grit. Um, I feel that’s the most respected factor for anybody is like, you need to stick at it. I imply, what if, when you have one thing that you simply need to obtain, don’t put a time restrict on it as a result of that, that you simply, you, you’ll be able to, however you simply have to stick with it, keep the course. Um, so on a secret after which be variety, simply be, be, be variety to folks

Mike Sarraille:
That I, I, I feel these are invaluable. Have been, had been there ever instances throughout your, your movie, your performing profession the place issues simply weren’t occurring, rap speedy sufficient in, in your

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Query? The factor is should you, if, should you, when you have one thing SP I imply, like what I do, I’m an actor. I really like, you already know, diving into persona, exploring the human psyche and, and all this stuff. I’m not in it as a result of I need to be probably the most well-known man on the earth. Trigger if that was the objective, I’d’ve been, you already know, I’d’ve that’s that, how can that be a objective? It doesn’t curiosity me. Um, however typically, you already know, once you’re youthful, you, issues should not, you already know, once you begin your profession, you already know, you’re not getting the presents you need, however, however I’ve all the time, I’ve by no means had doubt that I’d discover my method as a result of I, I believed it in, in my coronary heart. After which, and you already know, so I suppose to be sincere, that one factor I received from my dad, as a result of even when he was, he was such, he tousled his life, however there was one factor he, he all the time preached and that was like, you, you, you already know, you need to work arduous, um, and, and present up.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
And, and it’s very, you already know, it’s that it’s like, it’s like once you work out, it’s like, should you, you already know, that factor about you wanna get in form. Yeah. It’s simply, it’s not that arduous. It’s not that sophisticated, you already know, simply present up, you already know, be, go to the health club or should you wanna drop extra pounds, you simply eat much less. <chortle> I do know, I do know it feels like I, and I don’t imply, hear, I do know there are lots of people with medical challenge. I’m not making an attempt to level a finger at anybody, however, however typically, you already know, we, we overcomplicate issues, uh, that basically aren’t.

Mike Sarraille:
I, I feel within the latter a part of my navy profession, I had little or no, uh, doubt, however now that I’ve gotten out and I’ve retired and in, in numerous sense, you already know, just like Tyler Grey’s story, we’re redefining ourselves. I’ve, I’ve had much more doubt this, that, you already know, since I’m 40 and I’m solely 44 now, however, um, of, Hey, even even this for males’s journal, do I suck at interviewing folks cuz this was not a, a, a talent I’ve had in having to study this as rapidly as attainable has been, uh, it’s been a shot to the ego somewhat bit,

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
However that’s, that’s good. That’s, I feel that’s actually good as a result of I, you already know, I doubt God, God is aware of. I’ve additionally had doubt, however I’ve by no means doubted that I used to be on the proper trajectory and I used to be on the proper course and all that. However I, I doubt myself on a regular basis and I feel that’s, I, I, I feel it’s necessary to acknowledge after which to, to, to have the ability to, to form of, uh, uh, to, to, to power your self, to open up your thoughts to, to new issues. Um, and, uh, and I stated, as I stated earlier, I’ve, I positively have had, uh, problems with, of wanting to have the ability to management the whole lot. And that’s, that isn’t good as a result of then you definately miss out on, on, on, on good issues. Uh, however doubt. Yeah. And I suppose, and, and I positively acknowledge that factor. You say getting older. Yeah. You, you re, but additionally as soon as, you already know, extra, you understand there’s extra to be, to, to be discovered if, if that is sensible.

Mike Sarraille:
It, it makes,

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
You understand, you already know what I imply? Like they, the extra, the extra, you already know, the extra you there’s to know, I imply, you already know, and the, and, uh, I all the time discover it, you already know, there’s nothing, what, what’s so unusual, like most individuals I do know, and everybody I meet once you meet and discuss, we, once you join with somebody, you additionally understand that shit there, there’s so some ways to see, have a look at a state of affairs and there’s not a proper or improper method. You understand, we simply come at it from totally different angles and this totally different perspective. And that’s actually fascinating. And we should always, we should always treasure that. After which out of the blue you, you, you activate the information, you learn, you you’ve get the impression that, that, that, oh, no, no persons are in two tribes. And that is like, and, and it’s simply not actual. It’s not an actual, that isn’t how we stay as human beings. It’s simply not actual. And it simply, it simply blows my thoughts, why we enable the narrative of, of division to rule our world. It’s an entire totally different story, however I, it simply, it does, it does drive me loopy.

Mike Sarraille:
Uh, earlier than we finish, I do need to speak about your ardour challenge and I’m really excited, uh, about this one radio man, let’s, let’s hear this. Why you bought concerned with this? Why you’re excited?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Nicely, I, I, I’ve been working with my, like my, my closest good friend, Joe Derek for years, he’s a author we write collectively. We did a film that you must take a look at known as in opposition to the ice on, on Netflix, which we shot in ice in Greenland, which is about this Explorer. Wonderful, actually happy with that film. After which we, we heard, heard about this, this actual story a few, a killer in a small city in Japanese, uh, Japanese Europe. And we, we then received the core of that story. We, that was inspiring as a result of it was mainly a few man who created his personal, like a journalist who created his personal crime story. Um, and we put that into the north of England, created this podcast that is named radioman and <affirmative>, and Joe wrote it. I star in it with the, with a man with David Morris. You may need seen him in, um, uh, strolling lifeless.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
And it’s simply, it’s a, after which we had been very fortunate cuz cuz you already know, I didn’t, I didn’t know podcast really earlier than, uh COVID I wasn’t actually listening to podcasts. And out of the blue I discovered myself having numerous time, you already know, and I used to be beginning to hearken to podcasts and it simply, you already know, now once I work out or in my automotive, I all the time have one thing on as a result of it’s only a, it’s simply an effective way to, to, you already know, to, to listen to tales. And one of many, the, the, the, the tales I heard was a factor known as the, uh, the Greenville tower, which, uh, was, was created by this man. The sound was created by this man known as Ben brick. Um, and we, we received maintain of him for our present. And what he does is he creates this audio world, which is sort of a, it’s like a mixture of a film and a ebook it’s simply, it’s so vivid. Um, and yeah, I can speak about this a very long time, however radioman, it’s UN audible. I’m insanely happy with it. And, uh, should you’re listening for a real crime broadcast, that’s the one

Mike Sarraille:
Final query. How is ly gonna consider whether or not he’s lived a life, uh, of affect? What’s most necessary to you, man? The legacy you’re gonna go away behind?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
Oh, I imply, I feel that the legacy, I don’t know. I imply, I feel that that’s, you already know, as, you already know, your children will stay on after which, and you already know, hopefully they’ll be, you already know, they’ll have some children and I feel that’s, I’m wanting ahead to that. I feel for me, the massive challenge is should you speak about aside from the profession and all that, there’s the, my household then, uh, I’ve, I’ve spent numerous time working with the United nations improvement program. And there are some, you already know, we, I’m gonna, we’re beginning manufacturing on a documentary, which is named earth rise, which is about, you already know, these challenges all of us face globally, which is like, clearly the most important one is the local weather change, which is actual, which is occurring, which is gonna have an effect on all of us. And it’s, it’s what we’re making an attempt to, what I need to do is to, to, to, um, inform the story of, uh, of hope, uh, inform a narrative of, of that’s resolution primarily based as a result of there are literally unbelievable resolution, extremely sensible folks on the market which have provide you with options to a few of these points and, um, even, and likewise that we will scale.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
So I’m, we’re gonna inform the story about that. And I feel that’s not my legacy, however that’s what I hope shall be our legacy, all of us that we, uh, we had been ready, um, to, to, uh, right to course right. That’s what I actually hope that once we, once we, you and I sit again in 30 years time and we’re previous, man, that we received’t be a world that’s falling aside, we’ll be going, thank God we, we stepped up. We as a species weren’t as silly as we thought we had been for a second.

Mike Sarraille:
If we don’t go away the place higher than we discovered it, then we failed throughout the board so I couldn’t agree extra. Thanks for becoming a member of me. I’ve discovered from this. I want you and your loved ones nothing however blessings and hopefully someday I can shake your hand in individual.

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau:
I hope that I hope Mike. I hope we will meet. I’d like to proceed this dialog. It’s been an actual pleasure.



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